framos me propose deux capteurs NB ICX098BL,que choisir?

[Nicolas Z 46]

Bonjour,

J'ai commandé un capteur noir et blanc pour ma toucam proII, et la dame me propose les deux versions que voici

Dear Mr Zannin

Thank you very much for your order.

There are to versions of ICX098BL, therefore herewith our offer about following items:

Pos.
Quantity
Part no.
Single price

EURO
Delivery time

01
1
ICX098BL-6/E
64,65 euros
in stock

02
1
ICX098BL-A/F
25,45 euros
in stock

ICX098BL-F
The data except this specification conform to those of ICX098BL(Spec. No. 01409).

Spot Pixel Specification
(1/30s storage, CCD signal, Ta = 25°C)

Spot pixel Spot pixel levelNumber of allowable
spot pixels by zone Measurement
method
Remarks
0 I II II’
Black or white pixels
at high light
30% = D0 0 0 0 1
Black pixels at
low light
4.0mV = D0 0 0 0 2
White pixels in
the dark
24.0mV = D 2 3 Ta = 60°C
Black or white pixels
at electronic shutter
operation
Same as for black pixels at low light. 4

Notes

1)
D ... Spot pixel level.

2)
Zone III – no evaluation criteria applied.

3)
In the optical black (OB), the level of white pixels in the dark must be 12mV or less in the horizontal
optical black (HOB) and 36mV or less in the vertical optical black (VOB) (Ta = 60°C).

4)
Zoon definition is illustrated in the figure below.

5)
The Zone II’ specification applies to the black pixels at low light in the shaded area of Zone III on the
monitor. (See the figure shown below.)

– 1 –
Spot Pixel Zone Definition
24 LINES
4 LINES
24 LINES
72 LINES
248 LINES
ZONE 0
ZONE II
ZONE I
ZONE II'
Vertical OB (2 LINES)
Horizontal OB
(31 PIXELS)
Vertical OB (8 LINES)
Horizonal OB
(2 PIXELS)
32 PIXELS
4 PIXELS
32 PIXELS
5 PIXELS
72 LINES
24 LINES
24 LINES
2 LINES
242 PIXELS122 PIXELS 122 PIXELS
50 PIXELS 50 PIXELS
ZONE III
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ICX098BL-F

CONFIDENTIAL

Notice on White Pixels Specifications (December 1, 2003 ver.)

After delivery inspection of CCD image sensors, cosmic radiation may distort pixels of CCD image sensors, and then
distorted pixels may cause white point effects in dark signals in picture images. (Such white point effects shall be
hereinafter referred to as "White Pixels.") Unfortunately, it is not possible with current scientific technology for CCD
image sensors to prevent such White Pixels. It is recommended that when you use CCD image sensors, you should
consider taking measures against such White Pixels, such as adoption of automatic compensation systems for White
Pixels in dark signals and establishment of quality assurance standards.

Unless the Seller's liability for White Pixels is otherwise set forth in an agreement between you and the Seller, Sony
Corporation or its distributors (hereinafter collectively referred to as the "Seller") will, at the Seller's expense, replace
such CCD image sensors, in the event the CCD image sensors delivered by the Seller are found to be to the Seller's
satisfaction, to have over the allowable range of White Pixels as set forth on the previous page under the heading "White
and Black Pixels Specifications", within the period of three months after the delivery date of such CCD image sensors
from the Seller to you; provided that the Seller disclaims and will not assume any liability after if you have incorporated
such CCD image sensors into other products.

Please be aware that Seller disclaims and will not assume any liability for (1) CCD image sensors fabricated, altered or
modified after delivery to you, (2) CCD image sensors incorporated into other products, (3) CCD image sensors shipped
to a third party in any form whatsoever, or (4) CCD image sensors delivered to you over three months ago. Except the
above mentioned replacement by Seller, neither Sony Corporation nor its distributors will assume any liability for White
Pixels. Please resolve any problem or trouble arising from or in connection with White Pixels at your costs and expenses.

[For Your Reference] The Occurrence Rate of White Pixels

The chart below shows the predictable data on the occurrence rates of White Pixels in a single-story building in Tokyo at
an altitude of 0 meters. It is recommended that you should consider taking measures against White Pixels, such as
adoption of automatic compensation systems appropriate for each occurrence rate of White Pixels.
The data in the chart is based on records of past field tests, and signifies estimated occurrence rates calculated
according to structures and electrical properties of each device. Moreover, the data in the chart is for your reference
purpose only, and is not to be used as part of any CCD image sensor specifications.

Example of Occurrence Rates

White Pixel Level (in case of storage time = 1/30s)
(CCD signal, Ta = 60°C) Occurrence Rate per week
5.6mV or higher
10.0mV or higher
24.0mV or higher
50.0mV or higher
72.0mV or higher
0.5%
0.3%
0.1%
0.1%
0.1%

Note 1) The above data indicates the average occurrence rate of a single White Pixels that will occur when a CCD
image sensor is left for a week.
For example, in a case of a device that has a 1% occurrence rate per week at the 5.6mV or higher effect level,
this means that if 1,000 devices are left for a week, a total of 10 devices out of the whole 1,000 devices will
have a single White Pixels at the 5.6mV or higher effect level.

Note 2) The occurrence rate of White Pixels fluctuates depending on the CCD image sensor storage environment (such
as altitude, geomagnetic latitude and building structure), time (solar activity effects) and so on. Moreover, there
may be statistic errors. Please take notice and understand that this is an example of test data with experiments
that have being conducted over a specific time period and in a specific environment.

Note 3) This data does not guarantee the upper limits of the occurrence rate of White Pixels.

For Your Reference:

The occurrence rate of White Pixels at an altitude of 3,000 meters is from 5 to 10 times more than that at an altitude of
0 meters because of the density of the cosmic rays. In addition, in high latitude geographical areas such as London and
New York, the density of cosmic rays increases due to a difference in the geomagnetic density, so the occurrence rate of
White Pixels in such areas approximately doubles when compared with that in Tokyo.

•
This Notice on White Pixels Specifications (hereinafter referred to as "Notice") is for customers who are considering or
currently using CCD image sensors set forth in this White Pixels specifications book. Sony Corporation may, at any
time, modify this Notice which will be available to you in the latest White Pixels specifications book. You should abide
by the latest version of this Notice. If a subsidiary or distributor of Sony Corporation has its own notice on white pixels
specifications, such notice will additionally apply between you and the subsidiary or distributor. You should consult a
sales representative of the subsidiary or distributor of Sony Corporation on such notice when you consider using CCD
image sensors.
•
This Notice shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of Japan, without reference to principles
of conflict of laws or choice of laws. All controversies and disputes arising out of or relating to this Notice shall be
submitted to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Tokyo District Court in Japan as the court of first instance.
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ICX098BL-F

Measurement Method for Spot Pixels
After setting to standard imaging condition .., the device driver should be set to meet bias and clock voltage
conditions.
Configure the driver circuit according to the example below and measure at the test point shown.

CCD
CCD signal output [ * A]
C.D.S S/H Test point [ * B]AMP
(Adjust the AMP gain so that the gain between [*A] and [*B] equal 1.)

1.
Black or white pixels at high light
After adjusting the luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output is 150mV, measure the
local dip point (black pixels at high light, VB) and peak point (white pixels at high light, VK) in the signal
output. Substitute the value into the following formula.
Level D =VK(or) VB × 100 [%]

150

Signal output waveform

2.
Black pixels at low light
After adjusting the luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output is 10mV, measure the local
dip point in the signal output.
Level D

VB
VK
OB output
Black pixels at high light
White pixels at high light
150mV
OB output
Black pixels
at low light
10mV
Signal output waveform

3.
White pixels in the dark
Set the device to a dark setting and measure the local peak point of the signal output waveform, using the
average value of the dark signal output as a reference.
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4.
Black or white pixels at electronic shutter operation
Set to electronic shutter operation, adjust the luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output
is 10mV, and measure the local dip point (black pixels at electronic shutter operation) and peak point (white
pixels at electronic shutter operation).
White pixels at electronic shutter operation
Level D

10mV

Black pixels at
electronic shutter
operation
Level D
Black or white pixels at
electronic shutter operation
OB output

Signal output waveform

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Stain Specifications

Zone Allowable
pixels
Total allowable
pixels Size Level Interval
0 1
3
3 = L = 10 lines 4 = R = 8% = 200 lines
. 2
.. 3 4 = L = 20 lines 4 = R = 8% Overlap permittedFor instances of two or more zones, the surface area of the largest zone is used.

ZONE II

V
20

659

Stain Measurement Method

In the following measurements, set to standard imaging condition .., set the lens iris to F16, and adjust the
luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output is 150mV. Measure the local dip in the average
value of signal output (VBL) and then calculate the stain level (R) as the ratio of VBL to the average value of
signal output.

R = VBL × 100 [%]

150

At the same time, the size (L) of the area where the stain level is 4% or more is determined by line number
conversion. The distance from one center of a stain to another is the stain interval, and is also determined in
the same fashion by line number conversion.

Stain Zone Definition

V
20

494

H

ZONE 0
ZONE I
2H – V
4
2H – V
4 V
2
V
4
V
4
H
20

20
ICX098BL-E
The data except this specification conform to those of ICX098BL(Spec. No. 01409).

Spot Pixel Specification
(1/30s storage, CCD signal, Ta = 25°C)

Spot pixel Spot pixel levelNumber of allowable
spot pixels by zone Measurement
method
Remarks
0 I II II’
Black or white pixels
at high light 20% = D0 0 0 0 1
Black pixels at
low light 4.0mV = D0 0 0 0 2
White pixels in
the dark 5.6mV = D2 3 Ta = 60°C
Black pixels at signal
saturated D = 400mV 0 0 0 0 4
Black or white pixels
at electronic shutter
operation
Same as for black pixels at low light. 5

Notes

1)
D ... Spot pixel level. Black pixels st signal sturated is prescribed at the signal output in spot pixel part.

2)
Zone III – no evaluation criteria applied.

3)
In the optical black (OB), the level of white pixels in the dark must be 12mV or less in the horizontal
optical black (HOB) and 36mV or less in the vertical optical black (VOB) (Ta = 60°C).

4)
Zoon definition is illustrated in the figure below.

5)
The Zone II’ specification applies to the black pixels at low light in the shaded area of Zone III on the
monitor. (See the figure shown below.)

Spot Pixel Zone Definition

– 1 –
24 LINES
4 LINES
24 LINES
72 LINES
248 LINES
ZONE 0
ZONE II
ZONE I
ZONE II'
Vertical OB (2 LINES)
Horizontal OB
(31 PIXELS)
Vertical OB (8 LINES)
Horizonal OB
(2 PIXELS)
32 PIXELS
4 PIXELS
32 PIXELS
5 PIXELS
72 LINES
24 LINES
24 LINES
2 LINES
242 PIXELS122 PIXELS 122 PIXELS
50 PIXELS 50 PIXELS
ZONE III
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ICX098BL-E

CONFIDENTIAL

Notice on White Pixels Specifications (December 1, 2003 ver.)

After delivery inspection of CCD image sensors, cosmic radiation may distort pixels of CCD image sensors, and then
distorted pixels may cause white point effects in dark signals in picture images. (Such white point effects shall be
hereinafter referred to as "White Pixels.") Unfortunately, it is not possible with current scientific technology for CCD
image sensors to prevent such White Pixels. It is recommended that when you use CCD image sensors, you should
consider taking measures against such White Pixels, such as adoption of automatic compensation systems for White
Pixels in dark signals and establishment of quality assurance standards.

Unless the Seller's liability for White Pixels is otherwise set forth in an agreement between you and the Seller, Sony
Corporation or its distributors (hereinafter collectively referred to as the "Seller") will, at the Seller's expense, replace
such CCD image sensors, in the event the CCD image sensors delivered by the Seller are found to be to the Seller's
satisfaction, to have over the allowable range of White Pixels as set forth on the previous page under the heading "White
and Black Pixels Specifications", within the period of three months after the delivery date of such CCD image sensors
from the Seller to you; provided that the Seller disclaims and will not assume any liability after if you have incorporated
such CCD image sensors into other products.

Please be aware that Seller disclaims and will not assume any liability for (1) CCD image sensors fabricated, altered or
modified after delivery to you, (2) CCD image sensors incorporated into other products, (3) CCD image sensors shipped
to a third party in any form whatsoever, or (4) CCD image sensors delivered to you over three months ago. Except the
above mentioned replacement by Seller, neither Sony Corporation nor its distributors will assume any liability for White
Pixels. Please resolve any problem or trouble arising from or in connection with White Pixels at your costs and expenses.

[For Your Reference] The Occurrence Rate of White Pixels

The chart below shows the predictable data on the occurrence rates of White Pixels in a single-story building in Tokyo at
an altitude of 0 meters. It is recommended that you should consider taking measures against White Pixels, such as
adoption of automatic compensation systems appropriate for each occurrence rate of White Pixels.
The data in the chart is based on records of past field tests, and signifies estimated occurrence rates calculated
according to structures and electrical properties of each device. Moreover, the data in the chart is for your reference
purpose only, and is not to be used as part of any CCD image sensor specifications.

Example of Occurrence Rates

White Pixel Level (in case of storage time = 1/30s)
(CCD signal, Ta = 60°C) Occurrence Rate per week
5.6mV or higher
10.0mV or higher
24.0mV or higher
50.0mV or higher
72.0mV or higher
0.5%
0.3%
0.1%
0.1%
0.1%

Note 1) The above data indicates the average occurrence rate of a single White Pixels that will occur when a CCD
image sensor is left for a week.
For example, in a case of a device that has a 1% occurrence rate per week at the 5.6mV or higher effect level,
this means that if 1,000 devices are left for a week, a total of 10 devices out of the whole 1,000 devices will
have a single White Pixels at the 5.6mV or higher effect level.

Note 2) The occurrence rate of White Pixels fluctuates depending on the CCD image sensor storage environment (such
as altitude, geomagnetic latitude and building structure), time (solar activity effects) and so on. Moreover, there
may be statistic errors. Please take notice and understand that this is an example of test data with experiments
that have being conducted over a specific time period and in a specific environment.

Note 3) This data does not guarantee the upper limits of the occurrence rate of White Pixels.

For Your Reference:

The occurrence rate of White Pixels at an altitude of 3,000 meters is from 5 to 10 times more than that at an altitude of
0 meters because of the density of the cosmic rays. In addition, in high latitude geographical areas such as London and
New York, the density of cosmic rays increases due to a difference in the geomagnetic density, so the occurrence rate of
White Pixels in such areas approximately doubles when compared with that in Tokyo.

•
This Notice on White Pixels Specifications (hereinafter referred to as "Notice") is for customers who are considering or
currently using CCD image sensors set forth in this White Pixels specifications book. Sony Corporation may, at any
time, modify this Notice which will be available to you in the latest White Pixels specifications book. You should abide
by the latest version of this Notice. If a subsidiary or distributor of Sony Corporation has its own notice on white pixels
specifications, such notice will additionally apply between you and the subsidiary or distributor. You should consult a
sales representative of the subsidiary or distributor of Sony Corporation on such notice when you consider using CCD
image sensors.
•
This Notice shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of Japan, without reference to principles
of conflict of laws or choice of laws. All controversies and disputes arising out of or relating to this Notice shall be
submitted to the exclusive jurisdiction of the Tokyo District Court in Japan as the court of first instance.
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ICX098BL-E

Measurement Method for Spot Pixels
After setting to standard imaging condition .., the device driver should be set to meet bias and clock voltage
conditions.
Configure the driver circuit according to the example below and measure at the test point shown.

CCD C.D.S S/H Test point [ * B]AMP
CCD signal output [ * A]
(Adjust the AMP gain so that the gain between [*A] and [*B] equal 1.)

1.
Black or white pixels at high light
After adjusting the luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output is 150mV, measure the
local dip point (black pixels at high light, VB) and peak point (white pixels at high light, VK) in the signal
output. Substitute the value into the following formula.
Level D =VK(or) VB × 100 [%]

150

Signal output waveform
VB
VK
OB output
Black pixels at high light
White pixels at high light
150mV
2.
Black pixels at low light
After adjusting the luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output is 10mV, measure the local
dip point in the signal output.
Level D

OB output
Black pixels
at low light
10mV
Signal output waveform

3.
White pixels in the dark
Set the device to a dark setting and measure the local peak point of the signal output waveform, using the
average value of the dark signal output as a reference.
4.
Black pixels at signal saturated
Set the device to operate in saturation and measure the local dip point, using the OB output as a reference.
OB output
Black pixels at
signal saturated Level D
Vsat (MIN = 500mV)
Signal output waveform
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5.
Black or white pixels at electronic shutter operation
Set to electronic shutter operation, adjust the luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output
is 10mV, and measure the local dip point (black pixels at electronic shutter operation) and peak point (white
pixels at electronic shutter operation).
White pixels at electronic shutter operation
Level D

10mV

Black pixels at
electronic shutter
operation
Level D
Black or white pixels at
electronic shutter operation
OB output

Signal output waveform

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ICX098BL-E

Stain Specifications

Zone Allowable
pixels
Total allowable
pixels Size Level Interval
0 1
3
3 = L = 10 lines 4 = R = 8% = 200 lines
. 2
.. 3 4 = L = 20 lines 4 = R = 8% Overlap permittedFor instances of two or more zones, the surface area of the largest zone is used.

ZONE II

V
20

659

Stain Measurement Method

In the following measurements, set to standard imaging condition .., set the lens iris to F16, and adjust the
luminous intensity so that the average value of signal output is 150mV. Measure the local dip in the average
value of signal output (VBL) and then calculate the stain level (R) as the ratio of VBL to the average value of
signal output.

R = VBL × 100 [%]

150

At the same time, the size (L) of the area where the stain level is 4% or more is determined by line number
conversion. The distance from one center of a stain to another is the stain interval, and is also determined in
the same fashion by line number conversion.

Stain Zone Definition

V
20

494

H

ZONE 0
ZONE I
2H – V
4
2H – V
4 V
2
V
4
V
4
H
20

20

L VBL
150mV
150× 0.04
OB output
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Marking

17

I C X 0 9 8
a
B L E
14 8

a : Lot No. (Max.7)
Control No.
Week manufactured
Year manufactured

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Il me semble que la différence soit liée au nombre de pixels déféctueux.
Sachant qu'une économie serait vraiment bienvenue et compte tenu de l'application principale: Solaire Halpha, est-ce raisonnable de choisir le moins cher?

[Ce message a été modifié par Nicolas Z (Édité le 15-01-2007).]

[fff 0]

xD

J'ai tout lu

Mais je n'ai point de réponse à te donner, désolé.

F

[Ce message a été modifié par fff (Édité le 16-01-2007).]

[jlucolas 93]

moi je prendrais le plus cher, trop de mauvaises exp avec le bon marché qui finalement revient plus cher que le cher qd on s'aperçoit que c'est tellement mauvais qu'on doit le changer...
d'ailleurs c'est celui que j'ai mis sur ma toucam modifiée NB et LP, et le capteur est excellent, tres sensible et tres peu de pixels chauds au debut (parce qu'avec le temps qui passe ça se degrade un peu).

[futurgrenoblois 0]

J'ai moi aussi hésité entre les 2 puis finallement j'ai pris le moins cher.
Monté sur ma vesta pro et j'en suis content, mais je ne fait que du planétaire avec, si c'est pour du ciel profond je donne ma langue au chat.

[pulsar67 8]

Salut,
J'ai pas tout lu mais ce que je peux te dire c'est qu'il y a des histoires de grade... et que Framos n'a que des "E" (les meilleurs) en stock (les autres, ils m'annoncent 12 à 16 semaines de délais).
Perso, j'utilisais un "E" jusqu'à présent en ciel profond et je peux t'assurer qu'il est nickel...
A+

[Nicolas Z 46]

Merci pour vos réponses.
Bon, j'ai finalement pris le moins cher, j'aurais moins de peine si je le crame à la soudure...
De toutes maniere,pour des compositages de 600 images, je pense qu'on se moque bien des pixels morts?